akoe ([info]akoe) wrote,
@ 2005-05-22 02:19:00
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What about that then?
So after over 30 years of trying, Greece finally manages to gain its first Eurovision win. I'm no fan of the song, as I think the lyrics are pretty dreadful, and the stage show was from a cruise ship floorshow, but at least its not Moldova or Malta, which I hated a lot more. I have the consolation of a 20 euro bet at 5/2 to console me. It will be interesting to see if the song will be as big a hit as the last two winners.

The results of the semi-final were leaked before we got into the venue, which caused a bit of consternation. People were shocked to see Romania had won, with Norway down in #6 and Switzerland as low as #8. It really blew the whole competition open. My suspicion that Moldova was going to do well was confirmed, when I found out that they finished 2nd in the semi. Ireland finished 14th which was about what I expected, but the Netherlands at #15 and Iceland down in #16 (one place ahead of  Portugal!) .  Poland just missed by 4 points to Latvia while Lithuania  were last  just behind Monaco. My two favourites Finland finished 18th and Belarus were only 13th.

As for tonight's  final, as I said on the day the draw was made Greece had really a great draw and when you then see that the songs that were top in the semi got early draws in the final it really helped the Greeks. If you want to see how important a good draw is compare the results of Latvia (10th in the semi and 5th in the final). The press conference is going on across the road now, but I have leart my lesson from last year, as these are pretty dull events at best. I can see it on the screen here in the  press centre. It's all pretty standard stuff.
 
The really big story is the big 4 being in the bottom 4. (I actually said last night that I thought they would take 4 of the last 5 places).  Surely there must now be a review of the big 4 rule? It is scandalous that the countries that sent the four worst entries this year qualify automatically for the final, while Croatia who have just missed out on being in the Top 10 once again, have to go the next year's semi. Ukraine's result is one of the worst ever for a host and Sweden are in the semi next year, which has pleased a lot of people here, Russia likewise.

So it's off to Athens next year, and I'm sure after the wonderful job their neighbours in Turkey did last year, that the Greeks will do a marvellous show. They have loads of good venues, after last year's Olympics and thee are even direct flights from Dublin (that hasn't happened for a Eurovision host city since 2001). So congratulations to Greece and I'm off to the after-show party. I'll update my site on Sunday night!

A HUGE thank you to Peter and Andrew and I hope you enjoyed our always honest reports.



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(Anonymous)
2005-05-21 11:25 pm UTC (link)
Well, it's been another great show. I did definitely not hope for Greece to win, but of course, I didn't hope for Ukraine, Turkey, Latvia or Estonia either... that's just the way it goes. Fortunately, Norway were no better than 9th place.

Thanks to you Keith, and Peter and Andrew for keeping us up to date with all your great reports from Kyiv!! Looking forward to next year already ;)

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BIG 4/ BOTTOM 4
(Anonymous)
2005-05-21 11:53 pm UTC (link)
The BIG 4 rule is unfair.....but what about the 12 point rule? the rule that Greece has to give Cyprus 12 points and vice versa? The Balkan rule? give all your neighbours the top marks regardless of song/performance? Think it is time the big 4 and any other countries who wish to give it a miss.

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Re: BIG 4/ BOTTOM 4
(Anonymous)
2005-05-22 08:44 am UTC (link)
And what about the Baltic rule? And what about the East European rule? And what about the Scandinavian rule? And what about the UK-Ireland rule? And what about.... The Big 4 sent the Worst 4 songs this year. Wake up!

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Re: BIG 4/ BOTTOM 4
[info]hobbeshalftail
2005-05-22 09:20 am UTC (link)
Yep, you got it! I completely agree that Britain should stop going on about political voting...we always give points to Ireland and they usually give us points and until we rectify that...you know, people in glass houses etc!
The political voting usually evens itself out, bottom line is that Greece got the most maximum scores, from a really wide cross section of countries - I think I counted that 17 out of the 24 songs got at least one max score, so that is pretty varied and fair to me.
The songs that Germany and France sent were lousy, Spain was not bad, but not as good as the others in the competition, and the UK had a dreadful draw and a song that was exactly like about 6 others last night, so wasn't at all memorable.
Face it, good song, sung well, good stage performance and you'll do well as lomg as you have a good draw! Felt really sorry for Hungary - a quality song that I'll be listening to for a long time, shame it had that bad draw.

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Re: BIG 4/ BOTTOM 4
(Anonymous)
2005-05-23 11:38 am UTC (link)
I am also so sad about hungary, and they actually sound better than in the semis. I am not a fan of greece, but congratulations to them. I think what should happen is, to increase the point system, maybe instead of 1 point, you get maybe 50 points, and 100 for the current 12. So the lowest is just half the highest, and the rest in between. I think it will help to even out the constant 12 points given to neighbors as it doesnt weigh as much overall.

These are the songs I enjoyed watching most, hungary, spain, norway, and denmark.

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Re: BIG 4/ BOTTOM 4
(Anonymous)
2005-05-23 11:43 am UTC (link)
I forgot to include Israel, i think this girl can go far.

Special mention to the bendy guy doing the dance on the intermission, i think that was awesome.

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Congrats Greece
(Anonymous)
2005-05-22 12:19 am UTC (link)
Well done Greece! In fairness the best song probably won despite the best efforts of plenty of neighbourly back-slapping. Delighted to see Malta do so well, but I think the days of televoting are numbered when something like Moldova finishes sixth. I'm afraid jury voting may be needed to give things a more balanced table in future.
Interesting too that three ballad-type numbers finished in the top six. Ireland's past victories were with ballad-type numbers. Let's try to stick with what we're good at. Malta proved a good ballad - one person with no gimmicks - can still cut the mustard at Eurovision.
Oh, and well done to all in Kiev for keeping us informed. Top job folks!

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WILL YOU BE IN ATHENS IN 2006 ?
(Anonymous)
2005-05-22 12:23 am UTC (link)
hi,

your reports may have been honest but you chaps should book your hols this time next year !

were you pis sed most of the time ?
your musical senses were obviously affected by something !

i've a good mind to report you to the fraud squad for making false statements !

well goodbye and safe trip home, regards Mike.

ps, i do hope you don't have to visit the jobcentre on monday :-)



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(Anonymous)
2005-05-22 12:35 am UTC (link)
Worst winner... EVER!

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Get a Life
(Anonymous)
2005-05-23 09:10 pm UTC (link)
The song and its PRESENTATION was the BEST.

As for the worst winner EVER it is Estonia's "Everybody" - which highjacked Elena's "Die For You" victory.

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Re: Get a Life
(Anonymous)
2005-05-24 08:35 pm UTC (link)
Greece had a better song (it scored more points
- with fewer countries voting, and got points
from EVERY country) LAST year. Swap Greece and
Malta in the draw, and no way would Greece have
won.

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Re: Get a Life
(Anonymous)
2005-05-24 08:37 pm UTC (link)
Die for You finished a VERY distant third that year.

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Get Real!
(Anonymous)
2005-05-22 12:37 am UTC (link)
Congratulations to Greece. A deserved win. I am appalled by your naivety concerning the Big Four nations, in particular the "It is scandalous that the countries that sent the worst four entries this year automatically qualify for the final". Apart from the fact that you actually supported the UK entry for once (so why the sudden 'worst' comment), surely you recognise that the whole enterprise depends on the continued support of the Big Four? If they decide to ditch the contest I would be very interested to see if any other nations step in to finance it. I would suggest that very soon you'd be out of a (eurovision) job! I reckon this year's result could be the start of a major shake-up in how Eurovision is financed/broadcast and it might be the point at which this wonderful event goes into a terminal decline.

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Wogan
(Anonymous)
2005-05-22 12:40 am UTC (link)
Terry Wogan has lost the plot!! Not only does he continue to be obnoxiously rude and talk over songs, he actually interrupted a few (notably Greece & Serbia-Montenegro) mid-song with his inane and tediously boring comments. Supposedly funny comments but we have heard them so many times before Mr Wogan. No longer even vaguely amusing. Do us all a favour and retire gracefully. You have not a clue as to what Eurovision is about these days and don't appear to be able to grasp how this contest has changed - and why!! It is time for you to leave the building - permanently!!

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Re: Wogan
(Anonymous)
2005-05-22 12:47 am UTC (link)
And did you notice how Wogan kept banging on about the song from Denmark? A perfect Radio 2 track maybe? It certainly had the desired effect in terms of UK voting.

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Athens calling
(Anonymous)
2005-05-22 12:59 am UTC (link)
Thank you for keeping us up to date with all your reports from Kyiv!
However, your bitter comments over the greek entry was unfair, of course you entitled to your opinion and I respect that
Looking forward to next year in Athens
No hard feelings. The diveristy of tastes is a positive thing.
Athens goes wild. bye

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(Anonymous)
2005-05-22 01:00 am UTC (link)
Thing is, without the big 4 contribution, which is over 50% of the total cost - proportionately more than ever - many of the Easstern countries wouldnt be able to afford to enter anyway as the costs would be so much more.

I'm not defending the big 4, I didn't like any of their songs tonight, but lets get real...

As for the result, Greece is OK, and all my faves did well, Malta, Latvia, Denmark, S&M, Israel. A good year for the ballads.

And thats what Ireland need. A ballad, cos its what you do best. 12 to Latvia, 10 to Malta from ireland -no surprise - so why not a real Celtic ballad, ethereal vocals, because there will always be people who will vote for beautiful music.

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On predictions ...
(Anonymous)
2005-05-22 01:34 am UTC (link)
After thanking you for your excellent and most useful job, allow me to quote the last part of the comment I posted the day after the semifinal …

“Coming to the finals, my prediction is that Norway, Romania, Greece, Israel, Moldova, Latvia and perhaps Serbia and Montenegro are more likely to be in the Top 5 and among them Greece can organize an impeccable Eurovision 2006 :) Good luck to all!”

… in case you need any unbiased assistance with your reports from Athens next year! :) (just kidding). Be prepared for an excellent event, we Greeks do have the know how and the Greek people have come to love Eurovision the last years. I predict an unforgettable event (and my predictions have somehow been proven accurate). Thank you Europe and I hope you can forgive all stupid comments from stupid individuals.

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(Anonymous)
2005-05-22 01:59 am UTC (link)
A great night - with my friends watching anyway. Dismay at the voting - went everywhere. On balance, I'm glad Greece won, it seemed to pic up votes across the board. However, I don't believe the Big 4 had the worst 4 songs - in particular, I think the UK was underscored - it was better than its place. As for what next - well, I'm not sure - perhaps 50% jury, 50% televote - or some other permutation - the direction of travel since 100% televoting is worrying.

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Remove from Greece all the neighbour points...
(Anonymous)
2005-05-22 02:38 am UTC (link)
Still we win... :)

You're all invited in Athens 2006, even the bloggers :D

...it's official: Greece is NOT going to win...
...Greece won't win with the choreography...

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Re: Remove from Greece all the neighbour points...
(Anonymous)
2005-05-22 08:48 am UTC (link)
Nai, tous gamisame tous kokkinotrixides!!! Kala ta pes!

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Remove from Greece all the neighbour points...
(Anonymous)
2005-05-23 11:13 am UTC (link)
Well said and well done to Greece and Elena. Let them say what they will...The grass is always greener...
Tou xronou sthn A8hna!

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YOU FOOL
[info]markswood
2005-05-22 04:01 am UTC (link)
YES YOU ARE TALKING OUT OF YOUR BUM THEY WERE NOT THE FOUR WORST ENTRIES AS YOU WELL KNOW BUT THE REST OF EUROPE HATES US FOR BIG FOUR STATUS AND YES I AGREE LET US QUALIFY THE SAME AS THE REST BUT DONT GO THROWWING YOUR TOYS OUT OF THE PRAM WHEN IT ALL GOES PEAR SHAPED

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hipocrite
[info]markswood
2005-05-22 04:08 am UTC (link)
you said you liked the uk entry , you really do talk bollocks dont you ?

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Politics
(Anonymous)
2005-05-22 04:25 am UTC (link)
The result was more or less expected. I personally think that Greece was okay, but not great by any means. Anyway, the political gimmicks are more than ever present here! I don't understand how Malta, Cyprus, Greece, Portugal, and some other countries did not give even one lame point to Israel... Because if you watch the show, you'll find that this entry was definitely the classiest and the most professional of them all- top quality. The israeli entry had everything it takes to win - except maybe the right geo-political situation... Too bad. At least, i'm glad they ended up fourth ;-) Good luck to them for next year! Olivier - I'm French . Ps: Yes, the French entry was indeed dreadful and fully deserved the last place...

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Re: Politics
(Anonymous)
2005-05-27 08:39 am UTC (link)
Malta gave 8 points to Israel in the final. What are you saying?

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Get ready...
(Anonymous)
2005-05-22 08:51 am UTC (link)
I hope now you can boil calmly in your bitter juice. So what's left now, you pathetic lonely person. If I were you I would seriously kill my self.

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A THANK YOU to Keith.....oh, and Big 4
[info]smsuk
2005-05-22 09:26 am UTC (link)
Thanks Keith for a great job.

I think a lot of the negative comments posted on your summary are unnecessary and out of order. It's great that you, Peter and Andrew have all spoken your mind and generated great debate !! Your work has been much appreciated. I am sure that everyone's opinion on the songs has changed during the course of the week.

Re the Big Four in the bottom 4 - I hope that it does prompt a debate on the future financing AND voting system.....it needs to be reviewed I would say!

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It can't be over?!
[info]hobbeshalftail
2005-05-22 09:31 am UTC (link)
Thanks to EVERYONE who contributed to the blogs for making it such a great Eurovision this year...I can't remember one that was so potentially wide open, and the voting!!! Wow, I think I counted that 17 of the 24 finalist countries were awarded at least 1 maximum score - that shows variation!
Was pretty predictable that the Greek song won, although I agree that the lyrics and overall show was a bit naff, but hey...that's Eurovision!

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Re: It can't be over?!
(Anonymous)
2005-05-22 10:23 am UTC (link)
Yeah well the hell would Eurovision be funded without the big 4 Keith?

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[info]jamaisneutral
2005-05-22 02:07 pm UTC (link)
Congratulations on your reports guys! I really enjoyed reading them.
I feel sorry for Javine, but it was indeed a song like 6 or 7 others in the contest. In any other year she might have done better. There's always songs that are "forgotten" by voters.

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Many thanks Keith & Co
(Anonymous)
2005-05-23 12:09 am UTC (link)
Your reports are always much appreciated. Re the big 4. It may not be what smaller countries want to hear but the fact is if British, German and French TV lose interest than ESC is dead. The Contest being big in the likes of Bulgaria, Belarus or Bosnia (or Ireland come to think of it) counts for nothing. We have lost Italy for ever. If France, the UK or Germany follow it will be the end. That these countries are doing badly is nothing to gloat over. "Send better songs" people cry. Tell that to Russia and the ex-YU states who, due to the kindness of neighbours, pile up votes whatever dross they send. The Big 4 do not have such reliable friends to bank on - if the voting isn't tweaked soon we risk them walking away and with it goes the future of the event we all love.

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Many Thanks
(Anonymous)
2005-05-23 08:11 pm UTC (link)
As an Odds Compiler who made prices on the event for a major UK firm I would like to thank Keith, Peter & Andrew for their efforts during the build up to the contest. I was disappointed that Greece won but admit it was one of the top 5 songs in the contest, although I personally preferred the entries from Malta, Bosnia, Moldova & Norway. I thought Javine was unlucky, she sung well enough and the performance was wholly acceptable. She did not deserve to finish beneath the likes of FYR Macedonia given the fact the guy could not sing in tune and proved it not once but twice! I hope the ESC review the voting procedures the Cyprus 12 to Greece and vice versa is getting beyond a joke - just vote for the best song! I hope that this continual neighbourly bias does not lead to the UK pulling the plug on the contest but I fear it could.

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BOOOOO
(Anonymous)
2005-05-29 08:20 pm UTC (link)
We've heard your BOOS to the Greek entry. See you in Athens -- surprise surprise!

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Re: BOOOOO
(Anonymous)
2005-06-02 04:43 pm UTC (link)
I don't think that we really want to see such persons in Athens. Please stay home!!! Enough of criticizing Greece and the song...

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(Anonymous)
2005-06-02 04:41 pm UTC (link)
Diabasa tin analysi ton apotelesmaton autou tou typou kai diapistosa oti einai POLY MEGALOS MALAKAS!!!! Ti sto diaolo ton exei piasei enantion tis Elladas kai tou ellinikou tragoudiou? Den koitaei ti fatsa tou kalytera pou nai sa skata... Ta pa kai hsyxasa.

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(Anonymous)
2005-06-22 02:11 am UTC (link)
Oh Keith,I feel so sorry for you....Bad predictions this year honey...

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